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use a Wiki. :) Merlin might want to make editing available to "registered users" only. --[[User:Mrbill|Bill]] 23:21, 29 Mar 2005 (CST) use a Wiki. :) Merlin might want to make editing available to "registered users" only. --[[User:Mrbill|Bill]] 23:21, 29 Mar 2005 (CST)
-Another lot of spam from [[User:]]. Anyone want to set up [[Meta:Vandalism]] for this sort of thing? I think that's what wikipedia uses. --[[User:Akchizar|Akchizar]] 18:52, 30 Mar 2005 (EST)+Another lot of spam from Anyone want to set up [[Meta:Vandalism]] for this sort of thing? I think that's what wikipedia uses. --[[User:Akchizar|Akchizar]] 18:52, 30 Mar 2005 (EST)

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For previous discussion, please see Talk:Meta:Main Page Archives


Software eating up the main page

Even though it's been organised nicely, the software section is getting pretty long. Do we want a separate page to put it on? Or, alternatively, do we want to create a sofwtare category, possibly subdivided into application launchers, mind mappers, word processing, etc etc? That we we don't really need a page - just a link to Category:Software will do nicely. Incidentally, we can also put each program into the relevant software subcategory and the relevant OS category (Category:OS X, Category:Windows, etc. being subcategories of Category:Software, probably).

OK, it looks like some work has already started on this. Looks like it's time to do some major reorganisation of categories. I'll be using User:Akchizar/Software_to_be_Categorised as a checklist in case anyone else is interested. Lots of useful info on categories here.--Akchizar 16:26, 21 Mar 2005 (EST)

Update: A question to the general populus - it is standard practise on wikipedia that once you've defined something as a subcategory, it doesn't fall into the supercategory as well (i.e. Quicksilver falls into Category:Application Launchers, but not Category:Software). Should we do this, or should we put everything in software as well? It would give us a fair indication of what we have articles on software-wise, and would be useful if someone was searching for a certain piece of software whose name they would recognise if they saw it. OTOH, depending on how many articles we have, it may end up being too cluttered. --Akchizar 02:09, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)

Go with the principle of Least Effort. Just from the early movements, big chunks of the wiki are going to be taken up with software *ahem* discussion, and that'd be a lotta editing. --JamesRifkin

I agree that the software section is getting big, I think it would look better with just each major category on the front page - Unix, Palm, Windows, VIC-20 and the other one. 8-p --K 10:14, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)

Cool Wiki Tricks?

I feel like I keep stumbling onto really neat tricks that might be useful to other gnomes (like "#REDIRECT [[Foo_page]]").

What do you think of an area like, say, Meta:Cool Wiki Tricks? How do other wikis share info like this?

--Merlin 20:15, 21 Mar 2005 (EST)

I don't think they do :)...a lot of that sort of thing was hidden away in several pages in wikipedia, meaning that when you're creating pages you generally have to search to find info on what you want. Maybe we could have some sort of tutorial for it? --Akchizar 01:48, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)


Are we to attribute ourselves if we add a new sub-section to a topic? I see some do and some don't.

--Andy Thompson 00:44, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)

I generally follow the guideline that if it's in an article, I don't attribute it, and if it's in discussion, I do. If you want to, you can see who's done what by hitting the "history" tab and checking from there, whether or not anyone's attritbuted the text. --Akchizar 01:50, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)
That seems sensible. (And thanks also for introducing me to the ":" trick! :) ) --Merlin 10:51, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)
Excellent! --Andy Thompson 00:02, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)
I've written a few things here, all anonymous, before just now setting up a user name. I didn't see a need for a user name on a public wiki. But I've been noticing that a certain percentage of regular articles or lifehacks, etc, have people's names on them. It seems a bit more like than a wiki. The last thing we need is some sort of attribution vs. no-attribution edit war. So maybe Akchizar's above suggestion could be formalized and linked to from the front page. Edits strictly to remove attributions should be avoided, but they should maybe be stripped out during reorganizations, substantive edits or additions, etc. My .02. Yesno 19:53, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)


Things sure have quieted down over at 43F since the Wiki went live. Are those crickets I hear? :)

--Andy Thompson 14:09, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)

Chirp chirp.  ;-)
What you're mostly hearing/not hearing is me up to here (::points roughly at collarbone level::) with slightly overdue work.
God bless my non-paying projects. They are definitely going to kill me.
--Merlin 16:16, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)
Well, I'm ever so thankful for all you do. Please don't think I'm complaining! --Andy Thompson 10:58, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)

Index Cards vs. Index cards

Ok, we already had an Index cards and then a newer article Index Cards showed up, linked to from the main page. I put the info from Index cards into Index Cards. The move feature couldn't be used because the new article already existed. So I put a link in Index cards to Index Cards. This is no good. How do I just get rid of Index cards forever?Yesno 00:30, 26 Mar 2005 (EST)

Remove all text from Index cards...put it into Index Cards if you want to, and then put the following text (and ONLY the following text) in it:
#REDIRECT [[Index Cards]]
Voila. Problem solved. And also covered in case some other idiot decides to make a new page there. I hope this is correct...let me check. Yup, it works. --Akchizar 04:00, 26 Mar 2005 (EST)

Software Template

Just so everyone knows, we now have Meta:Software template for those of you wishing to write articles about software. Any smart ideas on how to publicise this? Perhaps we should have a major announcements page or something so people can check to see what's going on. --Akchizar 04:02, 26 Mar 2005 (EST)

I'm all for retro-moderation for something like this. I think it's OK for people to contribute their software links, then thoughtful mods can come in after and template it. People who are in-the-know will see the templates and use it anyway, I think. --00:45, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

Books section suggestion

I wonder how people feel about the books section on the home page. While I (really) appreciate the AMZN links on the home, page (thanks, everybody), I think books like Home Comforts could definitely use their own page. For the GTD Book in particular, I wonder if it would be confusing to people that we're just linking offsite. Maybe we could try something like this?


Merlin, I like the new listing the way you have it. --Todd Dailey 00:44, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

Spamity Spam

Anyone else noticed that spammers have discovered this wiki? Depressing. I haven't seen anything past the front page, but checking the history reveals that it's happened twice in the last 12 hours. has some good information on wikispam as does Wikipedia. --Jeni 14:10, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

I just fixed another front-page spam, looks like they're coming from .su and .ru, and don't know how to properly use a Wiki. :) Merlin might want to make editing available to "registered users" only. --Bill 23:21, 29 Mar 2005 (CST)

Another lot of spam from Anyone want to set up Meta:Vandalism for this sort of thing? I think that's what wikipedia uses. --Akchizar 18:52, 30 Mar 2005 (EST)

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